Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Climate COP 15 activist decleared innocent in Danish court

Please find below the press release of the Danish climatecollective on
today's verdict. (Respectively forward it to people who might be



Danish court; Climate activist decleared innocent.
The Copenhagen City Court has today ruled that Natasha Verco and Noah
Weiss are innocent. The two climate activists were charged for
organizing illegal activities during the COP15 summit in Copenhagen in
2009. But the charges didn't stand in court. The verdict discredits
the violent methods adopted by police during the climate summit, when
politically active people were denied their democratic right to
criticize the climate negotiations.

Natasha Verco feels that the entire process has been absurd:

"There has been a very clear political purpose behind these court
cases, and the verdict is totally absurd. In the whole case the
evidence has been related to fully legal activities, that the police
has tried to manipulate, in order to make them appear illegal. It has
been all from prints of posters, to finding parking lots fors sound
equipments and participating in open information meetings for hundreds
of people."

Both Natasha and Noah feel, that the case has put an end to the police
undemocratic methods:

"I see this as a victory, not only for us, but for the legal rights in
Denmark. And it also means that no longer can the police use
manipulation of evidence and lies to repress politically active
people. I assume that also Tannie and Stine, who are going to court in
October, will be acquitted as well", says Noah Weiss.

Climate Collective

Phone: +45  50 58 87 51




2000 people have been arrested during the climate summit in December,
and many were preventively arrested during the big climate
demonstration on December 12th, 2009. These facts have since been
criticized, among others, by Amnesty International. Now there are four
people charged for having, according to police, planned actions during
the summit. Among them are Natasha Verco, 32 years old Australian, and
the XXX years old American student Noah Weiss.

Natasha Verco and Noah Weiss are accused to having planned violence
against police, disturbance of public order and vandalism. These are
the charges, that could lead to several years of prison and

Background articles on the court cases (in Danish):

Alle midler i brug mod miljøaktivister

Surveillance, secret investigation and eventually custody were all
employed against people that according to the police was planning
illegal actions during the climate summit. Now it has to be decided,
if they can be sentenced.

Diffus anklage mod aktivister

The prosecutor saw one of the charges against the two defendants
dropped. They are now only accused of planning criminal activities
during the climate summit.

Sunday, August 29, 2010

UN must not use flawed data on cause of Nigeria oil spills

UN must not use flawed data on cause of Nigeria oil spills

An Amnesty International report criticised the oil spill investigation system in the Niger Delta

An Amnesty International report criticised the oil spill investigation system in the Niger Delta

Kadir van Lohuizen/NOOR

24 August 2010

Amnesty International has challenged the credibility of data cited by a senior UN official investigating oil-impacted sites in Ogoniland in the Niger Delta, Nigeria.
A United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) official is reported to have said that 90 per cent of oil spills in Ogoniland were due to sabotage and criminal activity, and just 10 per cent due to equipment failure and negligence by companies such as Shell.
Amnesty International has challenged UNEP's reliance on these figures, which were produced by Nigerian regulatory agencies that are known to depend heavily on the oil companies themselves when it comes to spill investigations.
"Relying on these figures would be a serious misjudgement, with potentially significant ramifications for those living in the Niger Delta," said Audrey Gaughran, Director of Amnesty International's Global Thematic Issues Program. "UNEP must be aware that the figures have been strongly challenged for years by environmental groups and communities. They are totally lacking in credibility."
"The people of the Niger Delta have been lied to and denied justice for decades. The issue of oil spill causation is sensitive. If UNEP is going to comment on the cause of oil spills it should do so only on the basis of hard and credible evidence, not figures that are a source of conflict."
In June 2009 an Amnesty International report on the human rights impacts of oil pollution concluded that the oil spill investigation system in the Niger Delta was totally lacking in independence, and was inadequate to determine the proportion of oil spills caused by sabotage, as opposed to equipment failure. Amnesty International found that in many cases oil companies have significant influence on determining the cause of a spill. The report documents examples of cases where Shell claimed the cause of a spill was sabotage, but the claim was subsequently questioned by other investigations or the courts.
Amnesty International has called for independent oversight of the oil industry in the Niger Delta, including disclosure of all relevant information on the causes of oil pollution.
Between 1989 and 1994 Shell itself estimated that only 28 percent of oil spilt in the Niger Delta was caused by sabotage. In 2007 Shell's estimate had risen to 70 per cent. The figure now given by Shell has increased to more than 90 per cent. Amnesty International has repeatedly asked Shell to produce evidence to support these figures. Shell has been unable to do so.
"While sabotage and vandalism are serious problems, there is no evidence to support the figures offered by oil companies and the Nigerian government agencies," said Audrey Gaughran.

Read More

Nigeria: Petroleum, Pollution and Poverty in the Niger Delta (Report, 30 June 2009)

Protest against discrimination at Lowlands fest

"The Security Company" supposed to provide safety on Lowlands festival, instead security workers had abused human rights by discriminating some of the visitors based on their nationality.

Many people were expelled from festival terrain. The reason was they collect too many cups for deposit money. There were mostly people with polish passports.
More info:

We won't tolerate discrimination towards any nationality or race! We are against xenophobia, sexism and homophobia!

Let's meet on Friday (03.09) at 16:30 in Amstelveen.

The Security Company

Bouwerij 30

1185 XX  Amstelveen

The Security Company:

Bring your banners and flags!
Solidarity is our weapon!
Lowlands = Low Standards

Tomorrow we have meeting in the evening. If you like to help, join us in A'dam.
Information about time and address:
E-Mail: mgriks(at)gmail.com

Inicjatywa Spoleczna "Wspolna Sprawa"
(Social Initiative "Common Cause")

Affinity Group interview

Practical interview about affinity groups and building non hierarchical movement

Dam Sleeping Action flyer( Sleeping is symbolic :)

flyertje gemaakt voor de actie om aan vriendjes, vriendinnetjes en onbekenden uit te delen. Print het zelf ook uit! zwartwit is alleen misschien wat minder leuk.

Friday, August 27, 2010

Child On Tallbike ??? + making interviews - videos

The same boy who spontaneously, without asking and teaching, made great interview (see below), jumped on the tall bike and when was already cycling ask the owner how to stop :) Young Manuel, who in the school have problem with to much energy at the camp was surprising everybody with his smartness and willingness to help or to learn by doing. In this micro society of freedom without hierarchy and regime he was able to express and educate himself. This example shows us that to much energy should be a value not a problem and up to us, adults to guide youngsters how to channel it in good way.

Affinity groups: an introduction


For many small group actions an 'affinity group' is the most effective organisational form. This is a page of information about affinity groups, their structure, uses, history and advice.

What is an affinity group?
An affinity group is a small group of 5 to 20 people who work together autonomously on direct actions or other projects. You can form an affinity group with your friends, people from your community, workplace, or organisation.

Affinity groups challenge top-down decision-making and organising, and empower those involved to take creative direct action. Affinity groups allow people to "be" the action they want to see by giving complete freedom and decision-making power to the affinity group. Affinity groups by nature are decentralised and non-hierarchical, two important principles of anarchist organising and action. The affinity group model was first used by anarchists in Spain in the late 19th and early 20th century, and was re-introduced to radical direct action by anti-nuclear activists during the 1970s, who used decentralised non-violent direct action to blockade roads, occupy spaces and disrupt "business as usual" for the nuclear and war makers of the US. Affinity groups have a long and interesting past, owing much to the anarchists and workers of Spain and the anarchists and radicals today who use affinity groups, non-hierarchical structures, and consensus decision making in direct action and organising.

Affinity group roles [in a demonstration]
There are many roles that one could possibly fill. These roles include:

Medical - An affinity group may want to have someone who is a trained street medic who can deal with any medical or health issues during the action.
Legal observer - If there are not already legal observers for an action, it may be important to have people not involved in the action taking notes on police conduct and possible violations of activists rights.
Media - If you are doing an action which plans to draw media, a person in the affinity group could be empowered to talk to the media and act as a spokesperson.
Action Elf/Vibes-watcher - This is someone who would help out with the general wellness of the group: water, massages, and encouragement through starting a song or cheer. This is not a role is necessary, but may be particularly helpful in day long actions where people might get tired or irritable as the day wears on.
Traffic - If it is a moving affinity group, it may be necessary to have people who are empowered to stop cars at intersections and in general watch out for the safety of people on the streets from cars and other vehicles.
Arrest-able members - This depends on what kind of direct action you are doing. Some actions may require a certain number of people willing to get arrested, or some parts of an action may need a minimum number of arrest-ables. Either way, it is important to know who is doing the action and plans on getting arrested.
Jail support - Again, this is only if you have an affinity group who has people getting arrested. This person has all the arrestees contact information and will go to the jail, talk to and work with lawyers, keep track of who got arrested etc.

Affinity groups are not just useful within a protest or direct action setting, this form of organisation can be used for a wide variety of purposes as the history of affinity groups below illustrates.

History of affinity groups
The idea of affinity groups comes out of the anarchist and workers movement that was created in the late 19th century and fought fascism in Spain during the Spanish Civil War. The Spanish Anarchist movement provides an exhilarating example of a movement, and the actual possibility of a society based on decentralised organisation, direct democracy and the principles behind them.

Small circles of good friends, called "tertulias" would meet at cafes to discuss ideas and plan actions. In 1888, a period of intense class conflict in Europe and of local insurrection and struggle in Spain, the Anarchist Organisation of the Spanish Region made this traditional form (tertulias) the basis of its organisation.

Decades later, the Iberian Anarchist Federation, which contained 50,000 activists, organised into affinity groups and confederated into local, regional, and national councils. Wherever several FAI affinity groups existed, they formed a local federation. Local federations were coordinated by committees were made up of one mandated delegate from each affinity group. Mandated delegates were sent from local federations to regional committees and finally to the Peninsular Committee. Affinity groups remained autonomous as they carried out education, organised and supported local struggles. The intimacy of the groups made police infiltration difficult.

The idea of large-scale affinity group based organisation was planted in the United States on April 30, 1977 when 2,500 people, organised into affinity groups, occupied the Seabrook, New Hampshire nuclear power plant. The growing anti-nuclear power and disarmament movements adopted this mode, and used it in many successful actions throughout the late 1970s and 1980s. Since then, it has been used by the Central America solidarity movement, lesbian/gay liberation movement, Earth First! and earth liberation movement, and many others.

Most recently, affinity groups have been used in the mass actions in Seattle for the WTO and Washington DC for the IMF and World Bank, as well as Philadelphia and Los Angles around the Republican and Democratic National Conventions.

What is a 'cluster' and a 'spokescouncil'?
A cluster is a grouping of affinity groups that come together to work on a certain task or part of a larger action. Thus, a cluster might be responsible for blockading an area, organising one day of a multi-day action, or putting together and performing a mass street theater performance. Clusters could be organised around where affinity groups are from (example: Texas cluster), an issue or identity (examples: student cluster or anti-sweatshop cluster), or action interest (examples: street theater or [black bloc]).

A spokescouncil is the larger organising structure used in the affinity group model to coordinate a mass action. Each affinity group (or cluster) empowers a spoke (representative) to go to a spokescouncil meeting to decide on important issues for the action. For instance, affinity groups need to decide on a legal/jail strategy, possible tactical issues, meeting places, and many other logistics. A spokescouncil does not take away an individual affinity group's autonomy within an action; affinity groups make there own decisions about what they want to do on the streets.

How to start an affinity group
An affinity group could be a relationship among people that lasts for years among a group of friends and activists, or it could be a week long relationship based around a single action. Either way, it is important to join an affinity group that is best suited to you and your interests.

If you are forming an affinity group in your city or town, find friends or fellow activists who have similar issue interests, and thus would want to go to similar actions. Also, look for people who would be willing to use similar tactics - if you want to do relatively high risk lockdowns, someone who does not want to be in that situation may not want to be in the affinity group. That person could do media or medic work, but it may not be best if they are completely uncomfortable around certain tactics of direct action.

If you are looking to join an affinity group at a mass action, first find out what affinity groups open to new members and which ones are closed. For many people, affinity groups are based on trusting relationships based around years of friendship and work, thus they might not want people they don't know in their affinity group. Once you find which affinity groups are open, look for ones that have an issue interest or action tactic that you are drawn to.

What can an affinity group do?
Anything! They can be used for mass or smaller scale actions. Affinity groups can be used to drop a banner, blockade a road, provide back-up for other affinity groups, do street theater, block traffic riding bikes, organise a tree sit, [confront the police, strategic property destruction], change the message on a massive billboard, play music in a radical marching band or sing in a revolutionary choir, etc. There can even be affinity groups who take on certain tasks in an action. For instance, there could be a roving affinity group made up of street medics, or an affinity group who brings food and water to people on the streets.

What makes affinity groups so effective for actions is that they can remain creative and independent and plan out their own action without an organisation or person dictating to them what can and can't be done. Thus, there are an endless amount of possibilities for what affinity groups can do. Be creative and remember: direct action gets the goods!

This text was taken and edited from Anarchism in Action by Shawn Ewald
Edited by libcom.org. Last reviewed 2006

VNG vindt antikraakwet overbodig

De Wet kraken en leegstand is nog voor de inwerkingtreding al
overbodig verklaard

Gemeenten hebben de wet niet nodig om de leegstand actief te bestrijden,
vindt de VNG. De wet die per 1 oktober zou worden ingevoerd, is
ontoereikend voor een doeltreffende aanpak van de leegstand. Financiële
prikkels zoals een leegstandsheffing zijn veel efficiënter en effectiever.
Met de Wet kraken en leegstand krijgen gemeenten aanvullende instrumenten
om leegstand aan te pakken. Zo kunnen zij eigenaren dwingen leegstand te
melden. Staat een woning langer dan een jaar leeg, dan kunnen gemeenten
huurders voordragen waarna eigenaren drie maanden de tijd krijgen een
beslissing te nemen.

VNG vindt antikraakwet overbodig

door Ferry Heijbrock

DEN HAAG - De Wet kraken en leegstand is nog voor de inwerkingtreding al
overbodig verklaard

Gemeenten hebben de wet niet nodig om de leegstand actief te bestrijden,
vindt de VNG. De wet die per 1 oktober zou worden ingevoerd, is
ontoereikend voor een doeltreffende aanpak van de leegstand. Financiële
prikkels zoals een leegstandsheffing zijn veel efficiënter en effectiever.
Met de Wet kraken en leegstand krijgen gemeenten aanvullende instrumenten
om leegstand aan te pakken. Zo kunnen zij eigenaren dwingen leegstand te
melden. Staat een woning langer dan een jaar leeg, dan kunnen gemeenten
huurders voordragen waarna eigenaren drie maanden de tijd krijgen een
beslissing te nemen.

Het probleem voor gemeenten is dat zij die bevoegdheden alleen krijgen als
zij een leegstandsverordening maken. De VNG vindt dat een te zware wissel
trekken. Bovendien kost het extra menskracht en geld waarvan niet
duidelijk is of die beschikbaar zijn. Ook zonder wet kan een gemeente een
actief leegstandsbeleid voeren, aldus de VNG. Daar komt nog bij dat kraken
een marginaal verschijnsel is geworden. Dat blijkt ook uit reacties van
gemeenten. Zo kent Groningen hooguit tien kraakpanden. "Daar liggen we
absoluut niet wakker van, temeer omdat kraken een uitstekende stok achter
de deur is bij de bestrijding van leegstand", zegt wethouder Frank de
Vries in VNG-Magazine. Gemeenten staan niet te trappelen om een
leegstandsverordening te maken. De gemeenteraden van Groningen en Utrecht
namen zelfs al moties aan waarin zij uitspreken dat uitvoering van de wet
geen prioriteit behoeft te krijgen.

Kraken kan zelfs maatschappelijke voordelen hebben. Zo is in Emmen eens
een voedselbank gevestigd in een kraakpand. "Die functioneerde uitstekend.
Daarmee werd een maatschappelijk probleem nuttig aangepakt", weet
wethouder Ton Sleeking. Hij is dan ook niet van plan een
leegstandsverordening te maken. "Daar valt voor onze gemeente niets
positiefs mee te bereiken", vindt hij. De VNG zelf adviseert gemeenten
eerst goed te kijken hoe groot het leegstandsprobleem is alvorens te
beslissen of er een leegstandsverordening moet komen. "Is een gemeente
tevreden over de gang van zaken rond leegstand, dan lijkt het ons niet
zinvol gebruik te maken van de mogelijkheden van de Wet kraken en
leegstand." Daarnaast vindt de vereniging dat gemeenten goed moeten
blijven kijken naar bouwontwikkelingen. Als ze te kampen hebben met
leegstand, doen ze er goed aan zich te blijven afvragen wat ze toevoegen
met nieuwbouw, is het advies.

www.cobouw.nl 26-08-2010

Thursday, August 26, 2010

De dieren van Circus Renz


Circus Renz 013 
Als buurtbewoner en dierenvriend ben ik het zeer oneens met een circus dat misbruik maakt van weerloze dieren, zoals Circus Renz. Dit circus is deze zomer weer neergestreken in onze buurt met o.a. vijf leeuwen, een olifant, guanaco's, zebra's, pony's en een kameel, met toestemming van stadsbestuurders.

Respect voor dieren betekent dieren in hun eigenwaarde laten. Prachtige wilde dieren onder dwang mensenkunstjes laten vertonen is middeleeuws volksvermaak, dus niet meer van deze tijd. Een kleine groep mensen geniet van deze vorm van dierenslavernij. Mensen hebben de keuze, deze dieren niet. Heeft u ook liefde en respect voor dieren? U kunt uw mening geven als reactie op dit stukje of via het klachtenformulier van de stadsdeelraad.

Mieke Lehmann

Circus Renz 014 Circus Renz 017

Foto's: Pauline Wesselink

Klik op foto's voor groot beeld

http://www.zuid.amsterdam.nl/ - klachten



Circus Renz 015 
Een van de leeuwen van Circus Renz loopt in zijn kooi te ijsberen

Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Complete list of skeptic vs science arguments about climate change

Complete list of skeptic vs science arguments

from http://www.skepticalscience.com/Rebutting-skeptic-arguments-in-a-single-line.html if some one could translate this in dutch, I will spread the text.

Skeptic Arguments and What The Science Says

Skeptic Argument vs What the Science Says
1 "It's the sun" The sun's output has barely changed since 1970 and is irrelevant to recent global warming.
2 "Climate's changed before" Climate reacts to whatever forces it to change at the time; humans are now the dominant forcing.
3 "There is no consensus" 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
4 "It's cooling" The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record.
5 "Models are unreliable" Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.
6 "Temp record is unreliable" The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.
7 "It hasn't warmed since 1998" 2005 was the hottest year globally, and 2009 the second hottest.
8 "Ice age predicted in the 70s" The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.
9 "We're heading into an ice age" Worry about global warming impacts in the next 100 years, not an ice age in over 10,000 years.
10 "Antarctica is gaining ice" Satellites measure Antarctica losing land ice at an accelerating rate.
11 "CO2 lags temperature" Recent CO2 increase has caused recent warming without any time lag.
12 "It's not bad" Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.
13 "Al Gore got it wrong" Al Gore book is quite accurate, and far more accurate than contrarian books.
14 "It's cosmic rays" Cosmic rays show no trend over the last 30 years & have had little impact on recent global warming.
15 "It's freaking cold!" A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures.
16 "Hurricanes aren't linked to global warming" There is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.
17 "1934 - hottest year on record" 1934 was one of the hottest years in the US, not globally.
18 "Hockey stick is broken" Recent studies agree that recent global temperatures are unprecedented in the last 1000 years.
19 "Mars is warming" Mars is not warming globally.
20 "It's Urban Heat Island effect" Urban and rural regions show the same warming trend.
21 "It's just a natural cycle" Ancient natural cycles are irrelevant for attributing recent global warming to humans.
22 "Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle" Thick arctic sea ice is undergoing a rapid retreat.
23 "Sea level rise is exaggerated" A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.
24 "Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas" Rising CO2 increases atmospheric water vapor, which makes global warming much worse.
25 "Other planets are warming" Mars and Jupiter are not warming, and anyway the sun has recently been cooling slightly.
26 "Greenland was green" Other parts of the earth got colder when Greenland got warmer.
27 "Oceans are cooling" The most recent ocean measurements show consistent warming.
28 "Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions" The natural cycle adds and removes CO2 to keep a balance; humans add extra CO2 without removing any.
29 "Climategate CRU emails suggest conspiracy" Several investigations have cleared scientists of any wrongdoing in the media-hyped email incident.
30 "Climate sensitivity is low" Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.
31 "CO2 effect is weak" The strong CO2 effect has been observed by many different measurements.
32 "We're coming out of the Little Ice Age" The sun was warming up then, but the sun hasn't been warming since 1970.
33 "It cooled mid-century" Mid-century cooling involved aerosols and is irrelevant for recent global warming.
34 "Glaciers are growing" Most glaciers are retreating, posing a serious problem for millions who rely on glaciers for water.
35 "There's no empirical evidence" There are multiple lines of direct observations that humans are causing global warming.
36 "It warmed before 1940 when CO2 was low" Early 20th century warming is due to several causes, including rising CO2.
37 "Polar bear numbers are increasing" Polar bears are in danger of extinction as well as many other species.
38 "Satellites show no warming in the troposphere" The most recent satellite data show that the earth as a whole is warming.
39 "Mt. Kilimanjaro's ice loss is due to land use" Most glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, notwithstanding a few complicated cases.
40 "IPCC does not represent a scientific consensus" The IPCC summarizes the recent research by leading scientific experts.
41 "Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming" Extreme weather events are being made more frequent and worse by global warming.
42 "CO2 is not a pollutant" Excess CO2 emissions will lead to hotter conditions that will stress and even kill crops.
43 "There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature" There is long-term correlation between CO2 and global temperature; other effects are short-term.
44 "Greenland is gaining ice" Greenland on the whole is losing ice, as confirmed by satellite measurement.
45 "CO2 was higher in the past" When CO2 was higher in the past, the sun was cooler.
46 "Scientists can't even predict weather" Weather and climate are different; climate predictions do not need weather detail.
47 "There's no tropospheric hot spot" We see a clear "short-term hot spot" - there's various evidence for a "long-term hot spot".
48 "Neptune is warming" And the sun is cooling.
49 "Jupiter is warming" Jupiter is not warming, and anyway the sun is cooling.
50 "It's Pacific Decadal Oscillation" The PDO shows no trend, and therefore the PDO is not responsible for the trend of global warming.
51 "Volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans" Humans emit 100 times more CO2 than volcanoes.
52 "CO2 effect is saturated" Direct measurements find that rising CO2 is trapping more heat.
53 "Pluto is warming" And the sun has been recently cooling.
54 "Greenland ice sheet won't collapse" When Greenland was 3 to 5 degrees C warmer than today, a large portion of the Ice Sheet melted.
55 "Animals and plants can adapt to global warming" Global warming will cause mass extinctions of species that cannot adapt on short time scales.
56 "Medieval Warm Period was warmer" Globally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.
57 "CO2 measurements are suspect" CO2 levels are measured by hundreds of stations across the globe, all reporting the same trend.
58 "It's El Niño" El Nino has no trend and so is not responsible for the trend of global warming.
59 "It's the ocean" The oceans are warming and moreover are becoming more acidic, threatening the food chain.
60 "Arctic sea ice is back to normal" Thick arctic sea ice is in rapid retreat.
61 "Less than half of published scientists endorse global warming" Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming.
62 "Dropped stations introduce warming bias" If the dropped stations had been kept, the temperature would actually be slightly higher.
63 "Solar Cycle Length proves its the sun" The sun has not warmed since 1970 and so cannot be driving global warming.
64 "It's aerosols" Aerosols have been masking global warming, which would be worse otherwise.
65 "2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts greenhouse theory" The 2nd law of thermodynamics is consistent with the greenhouse effect which is directly observed.
66 "It's microsite influences" Microsite influences on temperature changes are minimal; good and bad sites show the same trend.
67 "CO2 has a short residence time" Excess CO2 from human emissions has a long residence time of over 100 years
68 "It's a climate regime shift" There is no evidence that climate has chaotic "regimes" on a long-term basis.
69 "Humans are too insignificant to affect global climate" Humans are small but powerful, and human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.
70 "It's not happening" Recent global warming is occurring and is due to humans.
71 "2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells" A cold day in Chicago in winter has nothing to do with the trend of global warming.
72 "Greenhouse effect has been falsified" The greenhouse effect is standard physics and confirmed by observations.
73 "It's land use" Land use plays a minor role in climate change, although carbon sequestration may help to mitigate.
74 "The science isn't settled" That human CO2 is causing global warming is known with high certainty & confirmed by observations.
75 "IPCC were wrong about Himalayan glaciers" Glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, despite 1 error in 1 paragraph in a 1000 page IPCC report.
76 "It's methane" Methane plays a minor role in global warming but could get much worse if permafrost starts to melt.
77 "500 scientists refute the consensus" Around 97% of climate experts agree that humans are causing global warming.
78 "Mike's Nature trick to 'hide the decline'" Michael Mann was quoted out of context, and nothing was hidden.
79 "Ocean acidification isn't serious" Past history shows that when CO2 rises quickly, there was mass extinctions of coral reefs.
80 "Sea level rise predictions are exaggerated" Sea level rise is now increasing faster than predicted due to unexpectedly rapid ice melting.
81 "Naomi Oreskes' study on consensus was flawed" Benny Peiser, the Oreskes critic, retracted his criticism.
82 "Phil Jones says no global warming since 1995" Phil Jones was misquoted.
83 "Ice isn't melting" Ice is melting at an accelerating rate at both poles and in glaciers all over the world.
84 "Lindzen and Choi find low climate sensitivity" Lindzen and Choi's paper is viewed as unacceptably flawed by other climatologists.
85 "CO2 is coming from the ocean" The ocean is absorbing massive amounts of CO2, and is becoming more acidic as a result.
86 "It's not us" Multiple sets of independent observations find a human fingerprint on climate change.
87 "CO2 is not increasing" CO2 is increasing rapidly, and is reaching levels not seen on the earth for millions of years.
88 "It's albedo" Albedo change in the Arctic, due to receding ice, is increasing global warming.
89 "Record snowfall disproves global warming" Warming leads to increased evaporation and precipitation, which falls as increased snow in winter.
90 "Hansen's 1988 prediction was wrong" Jim Hansen had several possible scenarios; his mid-level scenario B was right.
91 "Over 31,000 scientists signed the OISM Petition Project" The 'OISM petition' was signed by only a few climatologists.
92 "The sun is getting hotter" The sun has just had the deepest solar minimum in 100 years.
93 "Solar cycles cause global warming" Over recent decades, the sun has been slightly cooling & is irrelevant to recent global warming.
94 "Springs aren't advancing" Hundreds of flowers across the UK are flowering earlier now than any time in 250 years.
95 "It's waste heat" Greenhouse warming is adding 100 times more heat to the climate than waste heat.
96 "Water levels correlate with sunspots" This detail is irrelevant to the observation of global warming caused by humans.
97 "IPCC were wrong about Amazon rainforests" The IPCC statement on Amazon rainforests was correct, and was incorrectly reported in some media.
98 "Mauna Loa is a volcano" The global trend is calculated from hundreds of CO2 measuring stations and confirmed by satellites.
99 "CO2 is not the only driver of climate" CO2 is the main driver of climate change.
100 "Climate is chaotic and cannot be predicted" Weather is chaotic but climate is driven by Earth's energy imbalance, which is more predictable.
101 "Water vapor in the stratosphere stopped global warming" This possibility just means that future global warming could be even worse.
102 "Scientists retracted claim that sea levels are rising" The Siddall 2009 paper was retracted because its predicted sea level rise was too low.
103 "Trenberth can't account for the lack of warming" Trenberth is talking about the details of energy flow, not whether global warming is happening.
104 "CO2 was higher in the late Ordovician" The sun was much cooler during the Ordovician.
105 "Southern sea ice is increasing" Antarctic sea ice has grown in recent decades despite the Southern Ocean warming at the same time.
106 "Melting ice isn't warming the Arctic" Melting ice leads to more sunlight being absorbed by water, thus heating the Arctic.
107 "Hulme says IPCC consensus was phoney" Ironically, it's those who are mispresenting Hulme's paper that are the ones being misleading.
108 "Global temperatures dropped sharply in 2007" But global temperatures rose sharply in 2009, to the second hottest level.
109 "Tree-rings diverge from temperature after 1960" This is a detail that is complex, local, and irrelevant to the observed global warming trend.
110 "CO2 emissions do not correlate with CO2 concentration" That humans are causing the rise in atmospheric CO2 is confirmed by multiple isotopic analyses.
111 "It's ozone" Ozone has only a small effect.
112 "It's CFCs" CFCs contribute at a small level.
113 "A drop in volcanic activity caused warming" Volcanoes have had no warming effect in recent global warming - if anything, a cooling effect.
114 "It's global brightening" This is a complex aerosol effect with unclear temperature significance.
115 "Warming causes CO2 rise" Recent warming is due to rising CO2.
116 "Antarctica is too cold to lose ice" Glaciers are sliding faster into the ocean because ice shelves are thinning due to warming oceans.
117 "It's satellite microwave transmissions" Satellite transmissions are extremely small and irrelevant.
118 "We didn't have global warming during the Industrial Revolution" CO2 emissions were much smaller 100 years ago.
119 "Greenland has only lost a tiny fraction of its ice mass" Greenland's ice loss is accelerating & will add metres of sea level rise in upcoming centuries.

Copyright 2010 www.skepticalscience.com


Update rebel clown court cases + film preventive arrest

Update rebel clown court cases + film preventive arrest

In the last couple of years rebel clowns joined several protests around demonstrations of neo-nazi's (NVU / Dutch Peoples Union) in Den Bosch, Arnhem and Venlo. It also means you'll get rewards: love letters / invitations to visit courts. Here's an update + an amazing film!

Last update was Febr. 23rd "Clown court case 'National Duckies Front' gets extra ride!  http://www.indymedia.nl/nl/2010/02/65541.shtml

The 'National Duckies Front' in Den Bosch (May 23rd 2009)  http://www.indymedia.nl/nl/2009/05/59649.shtml still missed a few fines. Finally they woke up! In May (one year later!) a missing clown got a fine of 200,- Which makes the clown chaos even bigger: now we have one of 250,- and one of 220,- and one of 200,- and one didn't receive such a nice letter and one receiving a confirmation he doesn't get anything! And to be clear: we all acted exactly in the same red nose way!

Of course we're not only collecting letters, we also love invitations to visit court. So the situation is now: 1 clown waiting for the session of the collegial court (wowww! 3 judges!), 1 clown also waiting for his court case and 1 clown (the one who got that 200,- fine) waiting for an invitation to visit court.

The 'National White Bride Front' in Venlo (Sept. 26th 2009)  http://indymedia.nl/nl/2009/09/61879.shtml received 3 fines of 300,- and got this month 2 invitations to visit court Oct. 28th. We still miss one!

June 12th 2010 in Venlo 3 clowns + 1 photographer were already arrested even before they could do anything wrong or right  http://www.indymedia.nl/nl/2010/06/68217.shtml The nice thing is: we probably don't get fines and court cases for doing absolutely nothing and next to it we now have an amazing, very short but also very clear film about preventive arrests! Even if you have a black coat with you it's already a perfect reason to get arrested! Enjoy!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW6QTwtxdUo

- E-Mail: rebelact@ddh.nl Website: http://www.rebelact.nl

Monsanto Blockade. Seed the Truth. part two.

Monsanto Blockade . "Seed the Truth" - video

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Maandag 17 mei heeft de actiegroep Verdelg Monsanto met succes de Monsanto-vestiging in Bergschenhoek met een blokkade stilgelegd. De directie van het voormalige De Ruiter Seeds stuurde alle 350 werknemers naar huis toen bleek dat ze het terrein niet op konden. Om persaandacht te voorkomen wilde de Europese directie van Monsanto niet dat de politie de aan het hek geketende actievoerders verwijderde. Om half drie was duidelijk dat de vestiging de rest van de dag gesloten zou blijven en zijn de actievoerders uit eigen beweging vertrokken, overigens zonder de door hen aangebrachte sloten te verwijderen. Hieronder wat een toevallige reporter zoal opving.

Vanaf 6 uur 's ochtends begonnen tientallen werknemers te arriveren. Ze werden door de actievoerders onthaald met koffie en een toelichting. Er bleek veel sympatie te zijn voor de actie. Veel medewerkers zijn niet blij met de overname van hun bedrijf. Een van de medewerkers zei: “Eindelijk, waar waren jullie!? Ik had jullie 1,5 jaar geleden al verwacht!” Ten tijde van de overname in 2008 hebben de meeste medewerkers zich goed verdiept in Monsanto. Een aanzienlijk aantal mensen heeft daarop een andere baan gezocht, waaronder veel plantveredelaars. Sommige medewerkers waren minder positief, vooral omdat ze gewoon aan het werk wilden. Veel werknemers hebben nog steeds een sterke band met wat eens een familiebedrijf was. Ook namen veel medewerkers de overname voor lief, simpelweg omdat het moeilijk is om ander werk te vinden.

Toenemende concurrentie en monopolisering
Met de verkoop van het zaadveredelingsbedrijf is de familie De Ruiter flink binnengelopen. De overname vond plaats onder druk van internationale concurrentie op het gebied van veredelingstechnieken en kennis. Mega-bedrijven als Monsanto hebben een grote schat aan informatie in handen, waar kleinere zaadbedrijven niet bijkunnen. Grote veredelingsbedrijven hebben veel kennis in huis om de genenstructuur van planten te interpreteren (merker-technologie), welke ze niet met kleinere bedrijven delen. Rijkdom aan kennis vertaalt zich in kapitaal en macht. Kleinere bedrijven worden weggeconcurreerd of opgekocht, wat leidt tot een ware oligopolie. Een klein aantal grote spelers beheerst nu de zadenmarkt.

Innovatie door het afkijken bij de concurrent nog mogelijk in de toekomst?
Een van de belangrijkste activiteiten in de Monsanto-vestiging in Bergschenhhoek is volgens werknemers het opkweken en analyseren van zaaigoed van concurrerende bedrijven. Als alle groentezaden gepatenteerd zouden worden op de manier waarop Monsanto dat wil, zal dit onmogelijk of zeer kostbaar worden. Het is de vraag of kleinere bedrijven zich zouden kunnen veroorloven om hun gewassen te patenteren aangezien dit een zeer kostbaar proces is. Kleinere zaadbedrijven kunnen dus moeilijker de door hen ontwikkelde gewassen afschermen dan grote bedrijven. Invoering van patentering van conventionele gewassen maakt het makkelijker voor de grote bedrijven om de kleinere uit de markt te drukken.

Het voormalige De Ruiter Seeds als distributiebedrijf voor genetisch gemanipuleerde gewassen?
In de geblokkeerde vestiging worden, net als twee jaar geleden, groentegewassen op klassieke wijze en met behulp van moleculaire merkers veredeld. Wat mensen zich niet realieren, ook veel medewerkers niet, is dat wanneer er in de nabije toekomst genetisch gemanipuleerde groenten worden toegelaten in Europese landbouw of voedsel, of wanneer patenten worden toegekend aan conventionele gewassen, deze ook via de gisteren geblokkeerde vestiging in Bergschenhoek gedistribueerd zullen worden. De Ruiter Seeds is niet meer, het is sinds 2 jaar een instrument voor de uitbouwing van Monsanto's voedselmonopolie.

Communicatiestrategie van Monsanto: geen negatieve publiciteit
De landelijke pers heeft het jammerlijk af laten weten in de verslaglegging van deze blokkade. Slechts de internetversie van Trouw heeft hierover een stuk geplaatst. De geperkte berichtgeving wekt de indruk dat de actie niet interessant genoeg gevonden wordt vanwege het uitblijven van politieoptreden en het vreedzame karakter van de blokkade. Hiermee helpt de pers Monsanto's communicatiestrategie, welke erop is gericht om elke negatieve berichtgeving te vermijden. Monsanto diende geen aanklacht in tegen de actievoerders, waardoor er geen arrestaties vielen. Vervolgens vond de pers de blokkade niet nieuwswaardig genoeg. Doordat de pers alleen geinteresseerd is in sensationele verhalen kan Monsanto blijven opereren zonder zich publiekelijk te hoeven reageren op de argumenten van critici.
Deze strategie is al langer bekend van Monsanto. Hetzelfde gebeurt doordat Monsanto nooit op komt dagen wanneer ze wordt uitgenodigd voor debatten als ze daar milieuclubs of andere politiek tegenstanders verwachten die zullen beginnen over de schadelijkheid van chemische landbouw en genetische manipulatie voor gezondheid en milieu. Vandaar ook tijdens de blokkade in Bergschenhoek weer het 'geen commentaar' van de directie op alle kritische vragen.

Blijkbaar is het voor de media niet interessant genoeg dat het bedrijf een dag lang sluit en 350 medewerkers naar huis stuurt. De media willen niet oppikken dat het een strategie is van biotechbedrijven publieke confrontaties te mijden omdat ze de argumenten over de schadelijkheid van hun praktijken en producten niet kunnen weerleggen.

Opbloeiende beweging tegen Monsanto
Een van de medewerkers liet weten afgelopen weekend een storingsmelding in een van de kweektunnels achter op het terrein te hebben gehad. Toen hij ging kijken trof hij 1600 vroegtijdig geoogste komkommerplanten aan. Men is bang dat dergelijke acties vaker zullen voorkomen. Afgelopen 2 jaar werden ook op verschillende plaatsen in Nederland proefvelden met RoundupReady gentechmais van Monsanto vernield.

In Madrid voerde de internationale boerenbeweging Via Campesina gisteren ook actie bij de plaatselijke Monsanto-vestiging, bij wijze van aftrap van de week voor Sociale Strijd. Ze hingen een spandoek op en deelden flyers uit bij een lezing voor Monsanto-medewerkers. In de flyer legden ze uit hoeveel schade Monsanto toebrengt aan plattelandsgemeenschappen in -met name- ontwikkelingslanden en dat Via Campesina een nieuw landbouwmodel voor ogen heeft dat voorziet in regionale voedselsoevereiniteit waarin geen rol is weggelegd voor multinationals als Monsanto. Op de website http://lasojamata.iskra.net is bijvoorbeeld veel te vinden over de schadelijke effecten van gentechsoja op de kleine boeren en hun gezondheid in Zuid-Amerika. Zie verder op

Squatting Video playlist

This (more than 25 videos long) playlist shows just small part of activity what squatters are busy with. Just squatting. To see more things what squatters do thankful their choice of life You can check our channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/spiritofsquatters - made also possible thankful squatting movement. There with our collective (like many other squatters groups do) we are supporting other meaningful actions like fight for future of our planet (=us, our children) freedom, human and animal rights, culture etc. etc.
Even that is just drop in the see because we can not film and edit everything ( wanna help ? We looking for new members !) what good things squatters are doing. This playlist like many other actions shows that if they would make from squatters criminals they would make themself idiots first.
Spirit Of Squatters Collective !
If You would like to put this list at Your pages You have to copy and paste the cod below without the signs " at the begining end end
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Spirit Of Squatters Collective
Spirit Of Squatters Collective

Spirit Of Squatters Collective : This is solidarity action(like most of our videos). The solidarity is stronger when it is seen by as many people as possible.So...Please use it ! Pass this info to everybody who could be interested !!!
Feel free to embed,link it,send it,screen it etc. Use it=don't loose it. Reclaim the media with us !

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PS: Playlist with videos about squatting : http://www.youtube.com/user/spiritofsquatters#grid/user/A14C233948556D70

I guess this is something that we try to do as a "Spirit Of Squatters Collective". One of the best posters now is made as video and in that hopefully and efficient way, on the long therm would help for poor people all around the world. Main reasons for disasters are more often consequences of climate change. Main reason of hunger is not lack of food but lack of justice. In the movie we are showing the reason, consequences and SOLUTIONS for even more problems that those mentioned above. Charity start at home...Music: Janusz Reichel and La Aferra

Food Production and Climate Change: Industrial agriculture, factory farming and ecosystem collapse
It is well documented that our modern methods of food production – industrial agriculture and intensive factory farmed meat – are heavily reliant on fossil fuels and create large amounts of carbon dioxide emissions. On the opposite side of the coin, our capacity to produce food will be severely reduced by the consequences of climate change. Around the world, small farmers and networks like Via Campesina are fighting for food sovereignty and small-scale sustainable agricultural production. Meanwhile, agribusinesses and agrochemicals companies such as Monsanto are sitting around the tables of the intergovernmental climate negotiations pushing for a further intensification of industrial agriculture as their 'solution' to climate change.

The modern system of food production uses vast amounts of toxic petrochemical pesticides and fertilisers and heavy, oil dependent machinery to plough, irrigate and harvest the land; it transports food thousands of miles across continents from production to consumption, refrigerating it for days or weeks while it is in transit, on the supermarket shelves and then at home before it is eaten.

Traditional farming relied on planting a diversity of crops that attracted a range of insects, some of which are natural enemies of insect pests. Industrial-scale agriculture prefers large monoculture plantations; this leaves fields without the usual range of insects, and crops became vulnerable to insect pests, requiring an increase in the use of pesticides. Much of the sprayed pesticide drains off into the groundwater and is a major source of water pollution in every agricultural region of the world. Pesticides also cause soil depletion and erosion by killing off millions of microscopic organisms and their habitats which maintain the fertility and structure of the soil. The depletion and erosion then requires ever-increasing amounts of petrochemical fertilizers to maintain the level of output. Despite the number of livestock we rear, industrial farmers use artificial fertiliser made from natural gas instead of using animal manure (poop) to bind nitrogen in the soil. This causes the release of even more nitrous oxide, which is a very strong greenhouse gas.

Aside from the high levels of petrochemicals used to maintain the system, industrial agriculture and intensive animal farming necessitate widespread deforestation and land-use change. Burning down forests and savannahs to create new fields for keeping livestock and producing grain (much of it for cattle feed) causes massive CO2 emissions, and the drying of swamps for similar purposes releases vast quantities of methane. These practices heavily contribute to climate change. As industrial methods of agriculture deplete the soil there is an ongoing need to burn down more and more forest to provide new land, and new soil, on which to grow crops. Furthermore, deforestation causes less water to evaporate in an area, which leads to less rainfall. The result is poorer harvests which force soy and cattle-farmers to use the remaining rainforest even more quickly, perpetuating a downward-spiral.

The industrial system has, over centuries and all across the world, "enclosed" farmland, forcing subsistence peasants and small farmers off their land so that it can be used by corporations for growing profitable export crops such as cocoa, sugarcane or soy. Millions of people lose their land and communities, and their independence and ability to grow their own food: they can then access food only through the market, forcing them into waged labour as their sole option for survival. Increasing agricultural output, using petrochemicals and new technologies, has little effect on global rates of hunger because it ignores the issues of access to land and purchasing power and diverts attention away from real solutions such as land redistribution and sustainable and affordable farming.

As for meat production, on top of the well-documented evils of factory farming – the inhumane conditions, the genetically modified animal feed, the hormones and antibiotics animals are pumped with and the practices used in slaughter – the intensive production of meat and dairy worldwide is responsible for about 18% of the greenhouse gases caused by humans. That is more than the percentage caused by global traffic and transport combined. Within the European Union alone huge numbers of animals (153 million pigs, 123 million cows, 99 million sheep, more than 500 million battery hens and almost 11 million tons of chicken meat) are produced for food consumption every year.

Animals produce greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4 - around 62 times stronger than CO2) during the digestion process, while other greenhouse gases such as nitrous oxide (N2O - around 275 times stronger than CO2) come mainly from decomposing manure.

Factory farming of animals is also more energy intensive than traditional ways of raising food animals, requiring large inputs of fossil fuel, industrial fertilizers, and other synthetic chemicals. The ratio of fossil fuel energy inputs to food energy produced—not including food processing and distribution—averages 3:1 for all US agricultural products combined, but for industrially produced beef the ratio is as high as 35:1.

In many parts of the world meat consumption is considered a luxury. Increasing prosperity in the global south leads to the adoption of Western patterns of meat consumption, adding pressure on the land to produce all the extra grain needed for cattle feed, meaning ever less land is available for actual food production. Overall one third of the world's arable land is used for animal feed production.

The irony of this is that climate change is currently responsible for an increasing and dramatic loss of natural homes and animal habitats, contributing to the extinction of millions of species that we haven't yet domesticated for our personal consumption. Many animal and plant species are unable to adapt fast enough to higher average temperatures and changing weather patterns that in turn affect the food chain and cause even more species to die out. Dr James Hansen, now ex-chief climate scientist at the NASA space institute, has said that “climate change will become the primary cause of species extinction...The tipping point for life on the planet will occur when so many interdependent species are lost that entire ecosystems collapse.” The iconic image of climate change is the desperate polar bear swimming until he dies amongst melting ice caps. This is a tragic image, but also one which does not do justice to the range of eco-systems that are collapsing because of climate change and the natural disasters it causes.

Warming temperatures, increased rainfall, floods and droughts resulting from global warming threaten to disrupt farming systems around the world, dramatically reducing the amount of arable land available for growing food. Countries in the Global South will be hit hardest simply because of their location – those that are closer to the equator naturally have higher temperatures, and those temperatures are closer to or already higher than the temperatures suitable for agriculture. Seasons and weather patterns are already becoming unpredictable and extreme. Climate change also disrupts and alters pest and disease patterns, posing risks to agriculture everywhere.

In a few places, such as northern Europe and North America, higher temperatures will initially encourage higher yields, but this will be far less than enough to replace the volume of land that will be lost from the other effects of climate change.

Until recently, agriculture has been neglected in UNFCCC negotiations. However, further intensification of industrial agriculture is now being proposed as part of the solution to the problems of climate change, to which it has contributed in the first place, and proposals are being made to include agriculture as a source of credits through the Clean Development Mechanism; for example, agrofuels and genetically modified plants are both being proposed and employed as 'solutions' to climate change.

Agrofuels are promoted as a 'green' alternative to fossil fuels, made from sugary or oily plants such as sugarcane, rapeseed, oil palm, soybean or jatropha, for use in cars, airplanes, and for electricity generation in power stations.

Large areas of land are needed to grow enough agrofuel to replace a small amount of fossil fuel. Agrofuels are becoming the main reason for rainforest destruction. They cause significantly greater greenhouse gas emissions than fossil fuels because entire ecosystems are destroyed to make space to grow them. Agrofuels come from large-scale industrial agriculture; as industrial agriculture is one of the biggest single causes of climate change, expanding it to grow fuel is a dangerous idea.

A UN spokesperson has warned that 60 million people may soon become “agrofuel refugees” – people forced off their land to make way for huge areas of agrofuel crops. In Argentina alone, 200,000 families have been forced off their land for soya – many more will be displaced by the new agrofuel soya boom.
Moreover, the rapid expansion of agrofuels was one of the main causes of the 2007-2008 food crisis, when many food prices rose by over 100%, triggering riots around the world as people could no longer afford to buy rice or corn. Using food crops to make fuel for cars and using land to grow agrofuels instead of food causes food prices to rise, meaning less people across the world can afford to feed themselves.

Genetically modified (GM) crops are already being promoted by corporations as a solution to the food insecurity that will result from the effects of climate change. We are told that GM crops will increase productivity and that GM technology will create plants that are resistant to droughts and other agricultural problems caused by climate change.

What we are not told is that GM contamination of the food system causes a loss of biodiversity and weakens agro-ecosystems, making them vulnerable to plagues, creating pesticide resistance in insect pests, and the loss of crop varieties reduces an ecosystem's potential to adapt to climate change. GM crops in fact themselves contribute to climate change as the expansion of GM crops is used to justify further deforestation. Most GM crops produced today are used to feed livestock and sustain an emissions-intensive animal farming industry (and therefore also covertly poisoning the food-chain). And conveniently for chemicals companies (like Monsanto, who already owns 95% of all the GM crops in the world as well as producing the attendant pesticides and fertilisers needed to grow them), GM crops necessitate a further increased use of chemical pesticides and fertilisers.

GM crops suit well the corporate desire to patent seeds so that they can be exclusively commercialised and highly profitable. Especially for rural communities, the largest in the world and the most affected by climate change, genetic modification of agriculture will prevent them from accessing seeds, causing more poverty, hunger, and therefore the further break-down of communities and environmental refugees. For northern
consumers the lack of control and safety measures on GM products will weaken consumer choice and have health impacts such as increasing resistance to antibiotics, and increasing incidents of allergies and cancer. Ultimately, GM crops are yet another step further into a model of intensive monocrop agriculture for global exports basically based on intensive fossil fuel use, and only serve to weaken our capacity to face a major collapse – practically, politically and physically.

But really it doesn’t have to be this way. The international network for farmers’ organizations, Via Campesina, emphasise and demonstrate that small-scale agriculture actually reduces carbon emissions and climate change, as well as minimising the environmental impacts of farming on plants and animals, as well as the air, water, and soil. Organic and diversified farming practices increase bird and mammal populations on farmlands and ensure biological diversity for the planet. In terms of preserving and increasing soil productivity and biodiversity, small-scale sustainable agriculture is far more beneficial and efficient than industrial practices.

Industrial agriculture and intensive animal farming devastate our land, water, and air, and are now threatening the stability of our climate. Massive chemical and biological inputs cause widespread environmental damage as well as human disease and death, while vast monoculture plantations reduce the diversity of our plants and animals. Habitat destruction practices endanger wildlife, and factory farming practices cause untold animal suffering. Centralized corporate ownership of our food production system also destroys farm communities around the world, leading to mass poverty and hunger.

Climate change is already serious and likely to get worse, resulting in land loss, unpredictable changes of natural growing conditions and the extinction of millions of species. Meanwhile, those leading the destruction are sitting at the discussion tables of international negotiations, using climate change as an excuse to further expand this unsustainable and heavily polluting system, proposing solutions that only serve to expand and further centralise corporate control of food production. The problem cannot be solved by simply regulating the use of particular chemicals, or banning gm products in individual countries. The problem is systemic, and as such, requires a solution that dismantles and replaces the entire system.

Nederlands bedrijf discrimeert Poolse Lowlands bezoekers - continuation

Nederlands bedrijf discrimeert Poolse Lowlands bezoekers
nn - 21.08.2010 01:48

Meer dan tien Polen die statiegeldbekers verzamelden zijn vrijdag van het Lowlands festivalterrein gestuurd zonder hun persoonlijke bezittingen. Medewerkers van beveiligingsbedrijf "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), gespecialiseerd in het beveiligen van evenementen, gooiden deze mensen van het terrein omdat ze teveel bekers verzamelden. De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt. Ze legden uit dat er geen limiet is op het verzamelen van bekers. Beveiligingsmedewerkers gaven de festivalorganisatie als reden dat ze deze mensen hadden weggestuurd, omdat ze zich aggressief gedroegen.

Meer dan tien Polen die statiegeldbekers verzamelden zijn vrijdag van het Lowlands festivalterrein gestuurd zonder hun persoonlijke bezittingen. Medewerkers van beveiligingsbedrijf "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), gespecialiseerd in het beveiligen van evenementen, gooiden deze mensen van het terrein omdat ze teveel bekers verzamelden. De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt. Ze legden uit dat er geen limiet is op het verzamelen van bekers. Beveiligingsmedewerkers gaven de festivalorganisatie als reden dat ze deze mensen hadden weggestuurd, omdat ze zich aggressief gedroegen.

Twee personen zijn in elkaar geslagen door de festivalbeveiliging, waarvan een hevig en bloedend. Hij werd naar een politiebureau in de buurt gebracht. Nadat ze met hem hadden gepraat heeft de politie besloten hem terug te brengen naar het festivalterrein en een onderzoek in te stellen. Een vrouw werd op de grond gelegd en door een mannelijke beveiliger gefouilleerd. Zij voelde zich geschonden.
Beveiligingsmedewerkers verwijderden foto's met beschuldigend bewijsmateriaal van telefoons. Eén slachtoffer heeft een boete van 500 euro gekregen. Het is niet duidelijk waarom.

Beveiligingsmedewerkers vroegen willekeurige bekerverzamelaars of ze Nederlander zijn. Een man die zijn Poolse identiteitsbewijs liet zien werd onmiddelijk van het terrein gestuurd. Een ooggetuige die vroeg wat er aan de hand was werd ook weggestuurd na het tonen van een Pools identiteitsbewijs, ondanks dat hij slechts twee bekers had verzameld.


Dutch security company discriminates Polish Lowlands visitors

More than ten Polish people collecting cups for their deposits have been kicked out from the Lowlands festival terrain on friday without their personal belongings. Employees of "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), specialized in event security, threw these people out because they where collecting too many cups. The festival organisors were shocked. They stated that there is no limit on collecting cups. Security employees gave the festival organisation the reason these people where kicked out was because they were being aggressive.

Two people were beaten by festival security, one person beaten up heavily and bleeding. He was taken to a nearby police station. After talking to him, the police decided to take him back to the festival terrain and start an investigation. One girl was put on the ground and searched by male security. She felt violated. Security guards deleted photo's from phones with incriminating evidence. One victim has received a fine for 500 euro's. It's not clear why.

Security employees randomly asked people that were collecting cups if they where Dutch. A man showing his Polish ID was immediately expelled from the terrain. A witness that asked what was happening was also removed after showing Polish ID, despite having collected only two cups.

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triest gedoe 
ans - 21.08.2010 11:25

fotomateriaal? pers ingeseind?
Write email or call 
Kosiarz - 21.08.2010 11:36

Please write email or call to organizers and security company. Below contacts:

The Security Company:

Bouwerij 30
1185 XX Amstelveen

Postbus 8001
1180 LA Amstelveen

email:  administratie@tscnl.nl
Telefoon: 020 - 4 562 222
Fax: 020 - 4 562 200


Mojo concerts

Bel ons: 015-212 19 80
mail:  info@mojo.nl

about polish participants of Lowlands 
nn - 21.08.2010 11:45

Those polish persons are not reach kids that came to Lowlands to have fun. They are anarchists and squatters that came all the way from different polish cities to the Netherlands. They are on Lowlands to collect coups in order to make some money for their life in Poland. They bought tickets in order to work safe on the festival. They work very hard around 8-10 hours each day.
nn - 21.08.2010 14:48

Who wrote this text above? and where does he or she has the information from? I also got kicked out from lowlands because of the same reason, but im not polish but indeed also not dutch. i was with this group and wanna now where this information comes from that the organisation of lowlands is shocked, we spoke with one of the organisators and he was obvious on the side of the security and told us that we have to leave immediatly the festivalarea. also i wanna know where the info comes from, that this one guy who got beaten up brutaly and afterwards arrested, is free now? i hope im mistaken but he told me on the telphone that he has to sit for at least 3 weeks.
what happened there was unbelievable, i even had to go to toilet while the door was open and one women and two guys!! ( im female) stood in front of it and had fun.
But i will not leave it like this and will find out the names from those who harmed us.
and no we dont have any fotos cause they brutally tooken our phones away after they saw we made pix which we even almost didnt became back.
lowlands fest not for polish people 
matt - 21.08.2010 15:09

its really important for my polish friends, to call to the office of this festival, and to the security, to stop this anti-polish attack. It`s for now a better way to pressure them.
the arested person is still on police station at Lelystad with very heavy charges.
info - question 
matol - 21.08.2010 15:20

info is from a fest, from people who spoke with some "organizer". if you in amsterdam, it will be benefit meeting about Rozbrat, and we can meet togeather.
nn - 21.08.2010 15:34

sorry , i wrote above that this guy has to sit for at least 3 weeks but i ment 3 days.
De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt ?? XD 
noname - 21.08.2010 16:54

Please do not provide false in formations.
It was about 30 polish cup collectors had been capcherd by security guards
all phones were taken to prevent taking pictures of security guys,they refused to show id or even tell the name of their company..
Also one dutch cup collector was capcherd but as soon as they find out his nationality they just let him go..
From all others(polish and one german) de bandjes were stolen (it took them about one month in poland to make money for lowlands the ticket.
none of them broke any rule of the festival.Some were beatin up,one realy badly,he was refused to see a doctor for a long time.
Girls were forced to pee in the toilet with an open door and bunch of security guys kept staring at her..

The organisators of lowlands had known those facts,only thing they had to say was we were not allowed at the festival area any more and threat us with 3 days in jail if we will come back.Organisators kept looking at us being pushed further from the main entrance.
Now were gonna start the courtcase aginst TSC to make them face responsibility for that whats happend.and get refund for the stolen tickets.

E-Mail: noise4poor@yahoo.com
nn - 22.08.2010 08:28

tot mijn verbazing blijkt dit een hele arbeidstak te zijn die mij niet eerder bekend was:


als de security nou zakkenrollers of tentenstropers zou gaan zoeken, maar bekerrapers? op de fora blijkt dat de jongeren waarbij ik geen rijke ouders vermoed het wel prima vinden dat er bekerrapers zijn, lowlands is tenslotte waanzinnig duur. de lui die hun recycle beker over de schouder werpen hebben blijkbaar geld genoeg en vinden de bekerrapers vies, naar, ratten of een ander xenofoob pvv standpunt.

tja deze opportunistische mensen werken hier op de overschotten de verwende kaaskoppen jeugd.
nl anarchist 
nn - 22.08.2010 08:50

my dear anarchist comrades, what is anarchist about working on lowlands?

you are earning money(=cups) that the rich dutch kids are throwing away. nothing against recylcing, but you are being employed by a festival where you have to pay (=ticket) to work. no workers rights at all.

we need you on this side of the barricades! there are squatter festivals where you can help coorganise and enjoy, and if you need money there are anarachists with self-organised work that you can join.

there are alternatives!

of course in your actions against the malpractices of the security you will have the solidarity of us!

come and connect!
securitydude - 22.08.2010 12:14

the behavior of this security company and from the organisation is offcourse completly discusting but working as security on partys myself i know how dificult its going to be to get in an court any compensation/condemnation.
on the festival grounds you dont have the same rights as on normal streets. By buying an ticket you promise to adhere too any rules the organisation comes up with including the right to being kicked out whenever it basicly pleases them.
your only chance is if you base your complaint on discrimination but they will likely say that you where being agressive or drunk or sommething and they will get away with it. And if they have anywere in their rulez something vaguely over not allowing cupcollecting you are fucked.
so play the discrimination card and play it well because its probably the only leg you have to stand on.
@ securitydude and ATTEMPT TO MURDER 
nn - 22.08.2010 14:09

@ securitydude
thanx for the info,
i have a question, how does it work on festivals? can the organisation just change rules whenever and wherever they want? because it was nowhere standing ( for us visible) that ur only allowed to collect for example 50 cups or that ur only allowed to collect cups for maybe an hour or something.
also we didnt get any warning that from now on there are different rules, can they then just arrest us immediatly? and even if it was written down but for us not visible and nobody warned us that there are this kind of rules can they just do what they did? and what are our rights then?
For sure it was an act of discrimination because one polish guy was just asking , what is going on and he got also arrested , he didnt had any cups in his hands, he just wanted to know , why they arrested me.

one guy of us is still in prison and we dunno when he will come out, his charges are very heavy, ATTEMPT TO MURDER
this is totally insane cause the securityguys were actually almost murdering him. 10 big securities where holding him on the ground and beated him up with all their power.
how can this be ? how are u able to murder somebody if 10 strong assholes are holding u down? the only thing he did was refusing to sit.
we organized him a lawyer now and hope everything will turn out good for him.
.. - 22.08.2010 14:10

It is obviously nonsense to state that a security company can do whatever it pleases on the sole basis that by buying a ticket you impliedly agree to give effect to their orders. Any disproportionate conduct by the security firm (which assault clearly is) can be tested in court in a civil action. On the basis of the information in the original post, there is no need to take the hard-to-prove way of discrimination in this case.

And no, these persons were not employed by Lowlands to collect cups! So hold your anarchistic horses, please, if you do not know what you are talking about. If polish people, or any people for that matter, decide to collect cups they do it on their own initiative.

securitydude - 22.08.2010 15:16

The rules need to be short on the ticket, at the entrance and on the website. The complete rules need to be available when asked for it.
Probably there is nothing in it (yet) about cup collecting but you can be sure there is about "not being allowed to be intoxicated" "being obligated to follow orders from personnel" and a few other very broad things where it will be very hard too proof from that you didn't breach them. Besides, with an festival this size the police is completely dependant on the cooperation of the security firm and work hand in glove with them wich mean that they will always side with them first.
So yeah press charges both against the individual guards (they are legally very vulnerable for excessive violence charges) as against the company/organization but don't hold your breath expecting to win.
Let your lawyer have a good look for cases where stadium stewards misbehaved against football fans, I know there where some cases won recently.
the guy in prison is my best friend! 
Dennis - 22.08.2010 15:17

@everyone :
the guy in prison is my best friend! I'm Dutch and he is Polish, we know eachother since 3 years now and close friends ever since. He is the sweetest person and would never do harm to anyone! Am sad to hear what has happened with him and think the security people are totally responsible for what they have done to him! They have no right to beat him up for such a reason, or any reason at all! They knew they were wrong at the scene already cause why else would they destroy all photos and film that was made of this? This would clearly proove that my friend did nothing and they were the guilty ones. I really hope this lawyer knows the law and will get him free with no consequences of any kind!
"Lowlands discrimineert, mishandelt en liegt" 
Verbaasde Lezer - 22.08.2010 16:10

Schokkend als ik dit zo allemaal lees over dit escapistische rich-kids evenement. De kop dekt mijns inziens de ernstige lading niet genoeg. Dat beveiligingsbedrijf valt onder volledige verantwoordelijkheid van de Lowlands Festvial organisatie.

Dus stel ik voor als nieuwskop:

"Lowlands organisatie discrimineert, mishandelt en liegt"

@verbaasde lezer 
Dennis - 22.08.2010 16:32

@verbaasde lezer and others :
my best friend and the people there are collecting these cups 2 make a living and 2 earn money by working hard every day...as written above in another comment : what the rich people throw away as garbage is worth money, if you put time and efforts in this...
I think that when a securitycompany/organisation is specifically looking for Polish people (the dutch could continue their work if i read it correct)that are collecting cups then it's obvious that discrimination is what happened here...How would this be if the people were from Maroc/Turkey/other country : it would be discrimination all over the news! But now it's 'just' a Polish person in their eyes...i am from Holland, born and raised, and know how most people in here think about the Polish community : very negative!
Just remember one thing : everyone is equal, no matter what race or country they are from. This is what my friend would have said also cause he is a good person! If anyone has somehow captured anything on film of this they should use it 2 help my friend and get him free, cause he is innocent.
nn - 22.08.2010 17:15

Yes, the cops are more likely to trust festival organizers more than you but if you build a strong case you're much more likely to pressure the cops (and the OM, which would file charges) into action. You don't have to file a report in the place where the felony took place. You can do it anywhere and thereby avoid reporting to cops who work with the festival organizers. You can file reports for theft (taking your cameras, possessions, etc), abuse and indeed discrimination. All these things are illegal, no matter what rules they write on a paper.

I hope that all of you press charges against these bastards. I also hope you can get many testimonies from festival visitors. I guess there are enough of them willing to testify/report as witnesses if you can find them (even after the unnecessary insults made at them – yes, they are mostly white and middle class and want to have a good time but why is that bad? Surely there are much more heroic things to do than visiting a festival but there's really no need to criticize everyone who's not on the barricades 24/7).

I think it's also definitely a good idea to get in touch with the festival organizers. Some may have applauded the security guards but there may be people who have an inch of decency. You can ask them for compensation directly and you can ask them not to hire the same company as they did now. You can always ask and see what they say.

Both the festival organizers and the security guards are very vulnerable since they need a good reputation to go on having these sorts of gigs. If 30 people file complaints for absue, theft, discrimination and what more, they may definitely get very nervous.

If you really want to dive into this, you can also ask artists performing at the festival to support your case and reach the media to make clear what happened to you. And you can of course take direct action against the fuckers that hurt you. In any case, your chances of getting some sort of justice will drastically increase invest a lot of time. I hope you have the energy and time to do that, even though I know most people have other things on their mind. In any case, I wish you good luck!
Dennis - 22.08.2010 17:54

i have used the 'rich people' words only 2 make people aware of something simple : each cup you throw away without realizing is worth money to others, not mean this directly at rich people or something...
Yes! Everyone who witnessed this crime against my friend should come forward and do something with what they saw... I would like to see those big guys standing in court and explaining to a judge why they found it necessary to totally beat up my friend with the 10 of them! As i wrote before : if this had happened to people from other countries/races then it would already be all over the news...Therefore maybe it's a good option to go to the media and tv with this story if this is needed!
If the truth comes out to the public in Holland, then it's only more bad commercials for this company and Lowlands, which they have now deserved.
Recover Deleted photo's from digital camera 
nn - 22.08.2010 18:32

A website that gives simple instructions for retrieving lost photos. This is for the victims of the unacceptable discrimination that happened at Lowlands Festival.
Hopefully you can retrieve photo's with incriminating evidence that will help and make your case stronger so that you can prosecute.
Check out this website, I hope that it helps you.

nn - 22.08.2010 19:10

to clear one thing out, festival visitors will not be able to help us with testimonies, cause the security was bringing us to a place surrounded by fences and far away from the concertarea. Also at this place were no cameras installed.
but we will ask the people who made photos to use this recovery programm.
But i guess it will be not much people who actually made photos because as soon the security saw somebody wanting to make pix , they grapped it very, very fast.
Dennis - 22.08.2010 19:10

Thanx for this link! For making things a bit clear : i was not on the festival, but just at home and before i read the original newsmessage yesterday, i had no idea of him even being on Lowlands and only knew he was somewhere in Holland on festivals collecting cups. When i read the message i immediately knew he was involved in this, but only as of this morning i know how serious he is involved! I have just send a mail to the policestation where they are holding him to ask them for info on things cause would really like to know how things are at the moment, which i don't know...At this moment i don't even know if he still has my phonenumber cause it was only in his phone, which i have tried 2 call 4 times yesterday and send sms this morning (which got delivered) but have no idea where his phone even is at the moment...
I care for my friend and don't let him down in this.
Dennis - 22.08.2010 20:16

If anyone has new information about my friend or about this whole thing, then please post it on indymedia...At this moment i know nothing more then what is written on this site :( I would be thankful for this!

nl anarchist so lame 
noname - 22.08.2010 20:29

thnx for telling us about diy festivals,we never heard about it.
cup collectors were screwing lowlands budged thats why they were kicked out.Oranisators quickly calculated how much money gonna flow out from festival cuz of cup collectors thats why kicked them out.(even with their profit cant really feel it but can look at numbers thou).and some people still write organisators were shocked they were shocked.
your anarchy ends with wall of your libary where u built your barricades.

and i appreciate post of security dude,which is helpfull and makes most sense.thnx.

E-Mail: noise4poor@yahoo.com
nn - 22.08.2010 21:39

Hier  http://www.bureaugelijkebehandeling.nl/ het adres van bureau gelijke behandeling flevoland (oud antidiscriminatie bureau) zij hebben contacten en kunnen vast verder helpen.

filmpje over bekersrapen 
link - 22.08.2010 21:53

Hier een linkje naar een item op nu.nl:

De organisatie legt keurig uit waarom ze het statiegeldsysteem hebben en er worden wat personen geinterviewd die al 300 euro bijeengeraapt hebben.

Of de organisatie is in dit filmje een schijnheilig verhaaltje aan het vertellen of
het is puur de ordedienst die polen discrimineert of misschien mensen die er niet zo net uitzien als je jongeren in het filmpje.

(of de mensen die er uit werden gegooid en in elkaar werden getrimd waren achter de rug van mensen nog niet lege bekers aan het rapen. Uit de verhalen hierboven blijkt hier echter niets van. Ik wil trouwens niet zeggen dat je iemand er in dat geval wel uit zou mogen gooien, alleen kun je dan moeilijker hardmaken dat het om discriminatie ging.)
to the "nl anarchist" and about Mojo 
no gods, no masters - 22.08.2010 22:01

I am afraid you know not enough about polish economic reality to say come and help on our squatters festivals and believe me some of those people are living in squats and they organized not only squatters festival, but different political activities (info evenings, direct actions, demonstrations, support for workers, Food not bombs etc.) These "polish" anarchists, squatters, punks and some of them are students in the same time came here in order to make some cash for daily bred ( in Poland is MORE DIFFICULT to earn for living then the Netherlands) , so If they are back in Poland they can use their time for political struggle.

Other subject. Mojo organizer.
Of course organizer is trying to pretend to be environment friendly, because is so important and cool to be eco-festival or eco-whatever. "Please collect your coups and you will get deposit cash back" they say, but they mean rich and ignorant festival participants will throw coups away and never bring them back...so organizers were probably counting most of deposit money as extra profit and when Mojo discovered coups collectors they did not like. Don't forget they are capitalists! Profit and money making is they high priority. Mojo made this festival to make money and not to share profit with coups collectors. People might wonder: what will happen with coups? Mojo hired cleaning company, so does not matter if cleaning company will clean festival terrain from perhaps 1000 coups or 20000 coups on Monday. Mojo pay them for cleaning anyway. Often capitalists use fascist (in this case security) to deal with "trouble makers".
Hot discussion also on polish media 
mgriks(at)gmail.com - 23.08.2010 01:18

in polish = po polsku
here = tutaj

E-Mail: mgriks(at)gmail.com
Website: http://www.positi.blogspot.com
NNNN - 23.08.2010 02:59

I am shocked that everyone seems to be shocked that a big festival like Lowlands, organised by MOJO, acts like any other capitalist company that feels it's profits threatened. It's not even a question if the security guards had any choice. They are hired to do the dirty work the LL-office people cannot do themselves.

I think it was very naive of the cup-collectors to think they were going to be allowed to do what they did. Just look at the RUISPAGINA reaction of Hans. That is the dutch attitude. Arrogant, capitalist with no sense of what money really means to some people. Collecting over thousands of euro's is a kid's hobby and those stupid poor Polish people shouldn't disrupt their fun.

LL is the typical dutch alternative-looking festival. It look alternative and all the alternative people go there, but in reality it's a commerce-fest for spoiled rich kids,students and yuppies who feel they are kind-of-leftish.

Hasn't Holland shown everyone in Europe that we are no longer (if we ever were) the free-thinking tolerant country everyone hopes us to be by electing VVD, CDA, PVV en PvdA massively????!!! Kraakverbod? Kicking out illegal immigrants en masse. Locking up family's in detention centres. camera's everywhere. ID-controle. OV-chipcard. Police with unrestricted acces to all the information they want. Etc.

Don't be so surprised that LL kicked you out!! That is capitalism at work. No amount of greenwashing or propaganda is going to change that. Please stop acting so surprised and offended. Be glad you aren't seen as part of the system. Otherwise you would be considered cheap slave labor with no guide-lines on working conditions.

And whileyou are at it. Don't go to University. There you are brainwashed into a "productive" member of society. Let's all please do it truely outside the system. DIY all the way.

I hope the guy will come out of jail soon. And I hope the security guys will in the future get into trouble with some group of hooligans somewhere and get what they deserve. And I hope capitalism will really crash so Yuppie-fests like LL can die out.

Or at least that festivals will force people to bring their own cups. Or they get one cup a day or something like that. At least.
nn - 23.08.2010 07:38

im very aware of those things u wrote,
but i will be shocked everytime time things like this happen.
my question is , how can you be not shocked everytime things like this happen? where do you take the power from to fight those things without anger and without being shocked? are you still alive or you just pretend to be so cool ? or maybe you lost all your feelings in the continuing struggle and just act like an robot? im happy i still can be shocked about things like this and that im not immune against it.
nn - 23.08.2010 10:26

Wat realisme:
Nou, ik vind lowlands toch wel erg leuk hoor. Goede muziek enzo, leuke sfeer. Ook leuk om bekertjes te verzamelen, soms wat minder als er inderdaad zo'n diehard rondloopt en het voor de normale verzamelaar onmogelijk maakt. Als we allemaal rustig aan doen is er genoeg voor iedereen zou ik zeggen. Ofnouja, genoeg om wat drinken van te kopen, niet genoeg om met winst het festival te verlaten. Dat had ik je eerder kunnen zeggen.

Verder beetje raar van mensen hierboven om lowlands zo aan te vallen. Ja, het is een festival wat georganiseerd wordt met geld (en (te) hoge toegangsprijzen vraagt). Ja, het bestaat binnen dit systeem. Goh, het is dus kapitalistisch.

Maar het is toch ontzettend tof dat er -binnen de geschetste kaders- een plek is waar je met veel mensen naar vernieuwende muziek kunt luisteren waarbij er nogsteeds (enigzins) aandacht is voor kritiek op huidige samenleving?
Waarom dit festival dan zo afvallen? Ik snap dat het niet revolutionair is, maar dat is kraken in nederland uiteindelijk ook absoluut niet; om maar eens een activiteit te noemen die wel als stoer wordt gezien. Gaan we alle krakers nu ook inpeperen dat ze niet politiek genoeg zijn?

Mensen hebben behoefte aan dit soort dingen. DIY-festivals zijn ook geweldig maar op een andere manier, kunnen niet aanbieden wat de festivalbezoekers willen. Dus mooi dat het er is, maar keuze tussen festival A of B is vooral gedreven door voorkeur van persoon of bijbehorende scene en brengt in geen geval een revolutie teweeg.
Capitalism and condition of movement here... 
no gods, no masters - 23.08.2010 11:09

NNNN have pointed many signs of capitalism and state getting stronger, but what about condition of anarchist and squatters movement in the Netherlands?

A lot is changing last years. This year we have kraakverbod, around 1,5 million people voted for Wilders party PVV (he got 24 seats from 150 in second chamber!), organizers (ACU) of Counter Culture festival took cash from Prins Bernhard Cultuurfonds, now Lowlands issue and lately I noticed that street parking machines have a little cameras (fuck! they want to film car owners when they buy their parking ticket !) As I know movements in Berlin and Greece those parking machines will be destroyed already...

...but squatters movement (big in numbers) is so weak and anarchist movement is small in the Netherlands and unfortunately many squatters and anarchists think is like a hobby and does not think seriously about political struggle. Please remember REVOLUTION IS SPONTANEOUS, so YOU CAN NOT FIT IN YOUR AGENDA! You need to be alert and ready to act quickly! Yesterday I tried to organize spontaneous protest by Lowlands with my polish friends, we thought we need a dutch person in order to not be ignore by media that might be there or in case of problems with security (you know we are polish, so security think they can do what they want with us). I tried to find a dutch person to go with us to make protest by Lowlands main entrance...some of them were busy, but others use very cheap and lame excuses (as very often happens in this country)...so I did not find one dutch person willing to go there with us and I called to around 20 people! We should deal with Lowlands issue, when is still hot! I think this week or next one we must organize protest by offices of security company and Mojo. I hope many people will join protest, if they think capitalism is serious problem of human kind.

Mikhail Bakunin quote:
"The freedom of all is essential to my freedom."
mx - 23.08.2010 14:16

Ik begrijp de ophef niet zo zeker aangezien er voor het gemak
maar word uitgegaan dat de groep Poolse L.L. bezoekers geen overlast
Als ik zo eens de reacties lees dan is/was er een kleine beker oorlog aan de gang.
Dat mensen een te duur kaartje kopen voor L.L. en ook nog eens vanuit polen reizen om bekers te rapen als een vorm van inkomen zegt mij al genoeg met wat voor een soort mensen we hier te maken hebben.
Ik ben in mijn tijd als "Hollandse" crust wel 10.000 keer weggestuurd op festivals door beveiliging bij containers,op straat en weet ik veel waar door de politie.
Het leven van een crust gaat nu eenmaal niet over rozen heeft geen fuck met discriminatie te maken maar met een bewuste keuze om "anders" te leven.
(En laten we voor de helderheid van deze discussie even de motivatie voor dat anders leven even weg laten)
Het gelijk schreeuwen dat het discriminatie is omdat je pools bent dat is pas discriminatie en ook gelijk het grote falen van heel de antifa strijd in Nederland.
Ik zeg gelijke rechten voor alle crusten!!!!!
En ja de meeste beveiliging bedrijven bestaan uit nogal zieke geesten
dat is inherent aan hun baan.
Maar een ding moeten je ze meegeven zoals ik al eerder schreef ze maken geen onderscheid : het zijn altijd klootzakken ook tegen hun eigen nationaliteit.
Kort genomen : je gaat naar een festival om geld te verdienen met bekers zoeken (wat geen recht is maar een extraatje je kaartje is geen arbeid contract)
De beveiliging zegt stop er mee jij begint een discussie dat jij recht hebt op het zoeken van bekers enzz enzz beveiliging ziet dat het een opstootje word de verhouding op L.L. tussen bezoekers en beveiliging is wat? 1 op 500 1 op 1000 dus is het zaak snel in te grijpen.
enzzz enzzzz.
Jij hebt met de aankoop van een kaartje voor het grootste commerciële festival van Nederland je verbonden aan de autoriteit van dat festival.
Het is een vrije keuze om het festival te bezoeken (ik zou daar nooit naar toe gaan)
Dat jouw financiële onderneming (want laten we eerlijk zijn dat was het meer dan het gewoon bezoeken van het festival) uitloopt in een conflict met de beveiliging is een risico dat je loopt.
het maakt me dan ook meer dan misselijk dat dit "arbeidsconflict" nu geprofileerd word als discriminatie en maakt duidelijk waarom mede
"de rest van Nederland" zich steeds meer afwend van "links"

discrimination and last person is free again 
nn - 23.08.2010 15:03

you can think what u want about "dit soort mensen" but dont tell us it wasnt discrimination! why else they ask people who collect cups what they are for nationality ? why they ask are u polish ? and if yes they arrest u immediatly? why they dont arrest dutch people who collect cups? ( and they have been there) this is obviuosly discrimination. for what reason they discriminated those people we can maybe talk about. maybe the security got these order from the lowlands organisation because they knew they will miss some coins with the cupcollectors and for polish people its just not so easy as for dutch people to do something against those things they did. who knows what was going on in their sick minds. but for sure it was discrimination.
and one more thing, the security didnt say stop with collecting cups, they went immediatly aggressiv, brutal and arrested us. I guess thats a difference. and i cant understand why some people think , that what happened there is normal and kind of the own fault from the cupcollectors.

further we have a appointment with a lawyer tomorrow , to c what we have for possibilitys against those security guys and maybe against the organisation of lowlands.
also i contacted the anti-discrimination bureau flevoland and they called me this morning, they will now make some kind of research and then call me back...will c whats coming out.
Further one of us was this morning at the lowlandsterrein and faced one guy of the organisation with the facts which happened. all he had to say was that we have to write an email. he didnt want to discuss it more and our guy got kicked out again.
This is discrimination 
mgriks(at)gmail.com - 23.08.2010 15:19

if there on dutch media (link above) there on the moovie is security guy explaining that its ok that people collecting the cups, there are dutch people that explaining that they are making money, and in the post above few times you can read that dutch people had no problem, THERE IS DISCRIMINATION. Open your eyes.
BTW Many of those people they are active political squatters ( often students ) thus rarely crust's
Scenebitches and MX are so Dutch 
NNNN - 23.08.2010 16:03

The reactions by Scenebitches and MX prove to me why I am done with the Netherlands. This is why I am so COOL. I quit. Cupcollectors are seen as parasites spoiling some good fun for alternative people. Dutch people dont realize that there is real poverty outside (and in) this country. Buying a expensive festivalticket so you can make money collecting cups is so alien to the dutch that no sympathy will be found.

LL used to be alternative in the beginning with bands that werent on recordlabels and you could get lots of vegetarian and vegan food. Now it's just another MOJO-meat and beer-fest. There is nothing alternative about it. It's MTV alternative not real alternative.

I have not found peace in the Netherlands with this fascist/capitalist society and it's reformist, conformist, lobbyist anarchist and squatting scene. I will go somewhere where there is still a real struggle. That is why I didnt go to the protest outside LL. It will bring you nothing.

Fuck this country.
nl anarchist - 23.08.2010 17:02

we have yet a long way to go together. people are angry, feel misunderstood, voice assumptions. i hope one day we can put all this energy into creating.
nn - 23.08.2010 17:37

He MX, het is natuurlijk niet zo dat als jij gediscrimineerd wordt dat andere mensen daar dan niet over moeten klagen omdat het er zogenaamd bijhoort. Ook als je een crust bent en je wordt daarom anders behandeld wordt je gediscrimineerd.
Soep niet zo heet... 
Vancouverfan - 23.08.2010 18:04

Other news report are saying the Polish guys were very agressive in collecting the cups. People with half a cup were stared at or the cups were taken out of their hands.


Also other people at the festival have seen Polish guys that were very annoying.

So I don't think this is about discrimination. But trying to keep the festival a pleasure for everybody.
nn - 23.08.2010 19:19

this was so clear that they turn it this way, what a bullshit, i didnt grap any cups out of peoples hand and i dont think the others did.
they just need a excuse why they behaved like this. always the same bullshit, the bad east europeans, they are easy to blame. people wake up!!! once the truth will come out.
hete soep 
nn - 23.08.2010 19:31

@ vancouverfan

je kan zo zien dat dat krantenbericht aan geen enkele journalistieke norm voldoet. Er is geen directe observatie, het is niet duidelijk wat de bron is en voor de zekerheid zegt de journalist ook nog maar even hoe we de (ontbrekende) feiten moeten interpreteren ("de sympathieke maatregel wordt zo misbruikt).

Er blijkt trouwens wel uit dat in ieder geval deze journalist vindt dat "Oost-Europeanen" per definitie geen "armlastige studenten en jongeren" zijn voor wie "de sympathieke maatregel" bedoeld is.

Ik geloof direct dat veel mensen de bekerrapers als "overlast" beschouwen. Dat wil alleen nog niet zeggen dat je dan maar alle Poolse bekerrapers moet inrekenen, hun telefoons afpakken, hun foto's wissen, ze van het festivalterrein af mag gooien en dat je ze in elkaar mag slaan.
vancuverfan how lame u can be? 
nn - 23.08.2010 19:40

really u have to be dutch lowland teenage lamo to belive that
belive it or not all cup collectors were captured at ones.asked
for nationallity and the polish ones got kicked out.they did not
misbehive,were drunk etc.I wish security were tested for drugs thou.
ive seen it.they all were sober doing nothing exept of picking
up cups from the ground or rubishbins.just work,no one was violent
there exept of security,cuz one guy didnt seat when he was told to.
but whatever u have your media to trust.ally u have to be dutch lowland teenage lamo to belive that
belive it or not all cup collectors were captured at ones.asked
for nationallity and the polish ones got kicked out.they did not
misbehive,were drunk etc.I wish security was tested for drugs thou.
ive seen it.they all were sober doing nothing exept of picking
up cups from the ground or rubishbins.no one of them was violent
there exept of security,cuz one guy didnt seat when he was told to.
but whatever u have your media to trust.
Indymedia or other, which one to be trusted? 
Vancouverfan - 23.08.2010 19:55

It's very easy to yell at media or people you don't trust. Ofcourse it's okay to be critical about the things you read.

Maybe some people should be just as critical about the Indymedia story as they are suspicious about my story...
hmm toch een andere mening... 
Sb - 23.08.2010 20:19


Jij geeft aan dat het geen discriminatie is... Ik las (nee ik was er zelf inderdaad niet bij, dus kan eigenlijk niet goed oordelen) dat er gevraagd werd naar identiteitsbewijzen... wanneer iemand uit Polen kwam, werd ie er afgeflikkerd, waar dat bij Nederlanders niet zo was... sorry hoor, maar dan zou ik me ook aardig gediscrimineerd voelen (en ik ben gewoon een boerenhollandse...) Die beveiligingslui moeten niet zeuren over bekertjes oprapen (misschien zijn de Poolse mensen er wel afgestuurd omdat ze niet helemaal relaxt reageerden toen hen verteld werd dat ze moesten kappen met bekertjes ophalen, maar als er niks gezegd was, hadden ze niet hoeven reageren) want er staan nergens regels op papier over het ophalen van die bekers, dus laat ze lekker...daarentegen is er volgens mij wel een wet die aangeeft dat je af moet blijven van bezittingen van een ander... telefoons en fotocamera's afpakken vanwege eventueel gemaakte foto's lijkt me alleen nodig als je zelf fout bent geweest...zegt wel iets naar mijn idee...
Discriminating the dutch? 
nn - 23.08.2010 23:12

Many things strike me here in the posts above, but one thing is especially surprising in the attitude. Shouting out loud that this is discrimination of polish people and than calling all the dutch same as if this is an homogenous group. That is treating people differently for their nationality = discrimination..

Also dont try to put these 'capitalistic' intensions, that is making money, in a political struggle. This sounds like a pr stunt. What an entrepeneurship, the new breed. Anarcho-capitalist.

Some honesty please..

Lastly I think making money through the cup collecting is a bit strange. There is a lot negative things to say about lowlands but I find it sympathic that you only need 10 cups to get a coin. These actions, by dutch or polish for that matter, will change future rules. Preventing even less people with little money to party at lowlands.

btw, the reaction of the security sounds terrible, but I dont know what to believe.

Don't believe in everything what they saying 
Spirit Of Squatters Collective - 23.08.2010 23:59

Geloof niet alles
Geloof niet alles

One poster which is saying
Do not believe in everything what they are writing.
Media,politicians and police very often are in the hands of the rich which mostly would like to be even more rich.
That's why:
Make difference !
Organize yourself !
Resist !
Look for Alternative's !
For example : indymedia.nl
radio patapoe
Vrije Keyzer TV every tuesday and friday at 20.00

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bier drinker - 24.08.2010 00:01

Aangezien ik als semi-capitalistische-pseudo-leftish aanwezig was op lowlands weet ik toevallig dat er wel degelijk regels omtrent het sprokkelen van bekers waren. Aangezien ik zelf graag grof geld uit geef voor mijn bier weet ik niet precies wat deze regels waren. Strekking van het van deze regels waren wel dat men geen ander lastig mag vallen met deze verzamelwoede
Capitalism, anti-capitalism and anarchism 
nn - 24.08.2010 02:08

Yet another series of comments on indymedia revealing the tiny understanding of what capitalism is as a social relation or what anarchism is as a social movement.

The comments on here about collecting cups being capitalist and we should all just exist outside of wage labour and capitalist social relations (as if we can just choose to) would be laughable in their ignorance and naivety if it weren't for the knowledge that these are genuinely and honestly held beliefs of a significant part of the squatters movement. The lack of grasp on reality is astounding.

"The labels 'lifestylist' and 'individualist' are often used, frequently unfairly, as insults and so we have to be very careful when we use them. When we talk about 'lifestyle' politics we're talking about a kind of politics that focuses in some way on 'dropping out' of capitalism, on getting 'off the grid' and living without relying on capitalist exploitation. This can mean many things. It can be something small scale like living in squats and surviving by stealing from supermarkets or taking the perfectly good food that they throw out ('skipping' or dumpster diving'). Or it can be something much larger like a project to communally farm a piece of land or establish a new community.

The reasons that people have for doing this kind of thing are very good ones. They see the harm that capitalism does every day and want no part of it. By stealing or taking what is thrown away they try to stop giving support back to the bosses that exploit us and people all over the world. By going back to the land and trying to be self-sufficient in food and power they try to live with as few links to global capitalism as possible. More than this, often these kind of political lifestyle choices involve building and living in communities based on solidarity and mutual respect. Many involved in this kind of activity would argue that this is 'building the new society in the shell of the old'.

Whilst we respect many people who make these personal lifestyle choices, we reject this as a useful form of political action. The main reason for this is that it is not something that the majority of people can easily involve themselves in. Those with significant debts, dependants, health problems or any number of other things that limit their freedom of action find it very difficult, if not impossible, to 'drop out'. There is no possibility for building a lifestylist mass movement. Indeed, lifestylism does not attempt to overthrow or destroy capitalism; it only attempts to wash its own hands clean of the blood.

This is, in fact, a huge political problem with lifestyle responses to capitalism. Often this form of politics leads to a kind of elitism and snobbery on the part of people living 'political' lifestyles. Ordinary people become 'sheeple', hopelessly brainwashed by their jobs and the media and as much part of the problem as the people that own and run the economy. In its most extreme forms, such as primitivism, this leads people to openly call for the extermination of the majority of the human race and a return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

This kind of attitude is not an inevitable consequence of dropping out, but it is very common, and it is the result of an individualist way of looking at capitalism. Capitalism does not exploit us as individuals: it exploits us as classes or groups. We are exploited as workers, as women, as non-white minorities or even majorities. We are oppressed as gay or transgender, as professionals with some perks, or temporary workers with none, as 'consumers' in the west and as disposable labourers in the global south.

If we respond to the damage that capitalism does to us as individuals then the only logical answer is to abstain. You live without a job, without shopping, without relying on the systems of exploitation that surround us. If this is impossible, then you minimise your impact. You get an 'ethical' job, buy 'ethical' products and reduce your contribution to exploitation that way. From here it's only a short step to despising the people who aren't as 'enlightened' as you, who keep capitalism going by 'refusing' to abstain.

However, if you respond to capitalism as a member of a broader exploited class, then the logical response is collective. You show solidarity with people in the same situation as you, you fight where you are for better conditions, and for more control over the conditions of life. A ollective response like this is always oppositional. It always has to fight capitalism rather than trying to go round it. It is, in potential, the beginning of a mass movement and the basis of a new society based on the recognition of our common interests.

In the end, it is this that the ruling class are afraid of, not people dropping out, and it is this that we should be looking to try and build."
answer to comment "Discriminating the dutch?" 
no gods, no masters - 24.08.2010 17:41

my answer to author of the comment:
Discriminating the dutch?
nn - 23.08.2010 23:12

First of all. If you mean that comment "Scenebitches and MX are so Dutch" is discriminating dutch people, I 'd like to tell you that author of this comment is my close friend and HE IS DUTCH as well, so you can not accuse him of discriminating dutch people. I am "polish" and I am also very critical about polish society, because big part of them are conformists and catholic conservative people. We both are tired of living here, because most of (not all of them!) the squatters and political activists are fake, conformist and reformist. Soon we will leave this country.

To be critical about "own" society have nothing to do with discrimination and for sure is better then being anti-capitalist or antiracist and defending security and organizers, just because they are dutch.

Your own words:
"I find it sympathic that you only need 10 cups to get a coin. These actions, by dutch or polish for that matter, will change future rules. Preventing even less people with little money to party at lowlands.
btw, the reaction of the security sounds terrible, but I dont know what to believe."

One of my anti-capitalist friend also tried to defend security and MOJO and I wonder what is his interest to defend capitalists company and security that behave like fascist?

Second of all. How you can call those people anarcho-capitalists?! HOW IGNORANT YOU MUST BE? BIG LACK OF UNDERSTANDING. Have you ever been in Poland? Have you ever been in situation that you have not other opportunities (as person with anticapitalist ideas) then collecting coups on festival? YOU SHOULD SEE THIS "COUPS COLLECTING JOB" AS EXPROPRIATION ACTION. They "stole" a lot of rubish (plastic coups) from MOJO organizer, so they were very unhappy on Monday, when around 100 people came to exchange those plastic coins for real money. ORGANIZERS ASKED THEM AGAIN: WHAT ARE YOU FROM? This is what I will surely call discrimination. If you dutch you can collect coups, but if you not then we can throw you out of festival, even if you have ticket and not doing anything against rules.

question ab Capitalism, anti-cap & anarchism 
ea - 24.08.2010 18:03

Thanks for the necessary breathing space. Could you tell us what the source of your text is since you put most of it in quotation marks?
answer to "Capitalism, anti-capitalism..." 
no gods, no masters - 24.08.2010 18:22

to the author of comment:
Capitalism, anti-capitalism and anarchism
nn - 24.08.2010 02:08

I am agree with you. My friends and comrades from Rozbrat collective (they were collecting coups also) know it is "elitist and lifestylist" solution to "drop out" of capitalism by using (squatting) forgotten buildings, skipping food from containers or "stealing" garbage (plastic coups) on Lowlands. But THEY LIVE NOW AND HERE and as you said they do not want to have their hands dirty, so they use this solutions.

You should know that in the same time members of Rozbrat collective are very active in political struggle, because they know "elitist and lifestylist" solution to "drop out" of capitalism are not solution that everybody can use in their daily life and as you said "There is no possibility for building a lifestylist mass movement" either. In order to bulid wider anti-capitalist movement they are building connection with local community of Poznan. They support workers, people from their neighbourhood Solacz in their struggle against local authorities, they do activities with environmentalists and cyclists (lack of bike roads in Poznan). When Rozbrat collective organized demo to defend their squat some of the local people that were supported by Rozbrat collective came to show their support and solidarity with squatters and anarchists. As you see in their everyday political struggle they are trying to build up wider anti-capitalist movement.

Please check their websites:
The Workers' Initiative (anarcho-syndicalist workers union)

Rozbrat collective

On the right bottom corner you can click to translate website to english, dutch and other languages.
Capitalism, anti-capitalism and anarchism 
nn - 24.08.2010 23:50

Dear no gods, no masters

I'm not criticising those who were collecting cups, I understand that people have to do what they can to survive under capitalism. I'm criticising those comments from dutch anarchists equating cup picking with capitalism, which reveals their lack of understanding of what capitalism is as a social relation, wage laour, etc., what anarchism means and what some people have to do in order to get by and make a living. As if there is an option to just live outside of capitalism or work in self organised anarchist jobs, as if this isn't another form of wage labour, even if it is self managed (probably part of the problem).

See prole.info article "Abolish Restaurants" on the contradictions and false thinking in working for alternative workplaces.

It would seem those picking cups are aware of those contradictions within "lifestylism" and "dropping out" and choose to take part anyway, which is fine and they're probably aware of the problem with paying to work and no workers rights, but being judged by others for doing it is the height of ignorance/arrogance/condescension.

"As you see in their everyday political struggle they are trying to build up wider anti-capitalist movement."

This is appreciated and understood, keep up the good work. Better than alot of the unenlightened self interest here in the netherlands.

@ ea, the quote is from Introduction to Anarchist Communism by the Anarchist Federation.


half lowland is nazie shit 
crisis - 25.08.2010 11:17

When i read the remarks on hives and see them dragging a cut on a fishwire (were did they get THAT on a musicfestival??)
all i can say is

they are so spoiled fucking shit bitches an shit digs

we should starve them and then trow then in a cup-bin

and then a cup-gatherer will have a much more clean job ;-)

Ook aandacht voor de kwestie op GS 
spotter - 25.08.2010 14:28

andere deurmuts - 25.08.2010 17:02

Net op de post gedaan, ze namen geen telefonische klachten aan.
Zo vaak ging ik al niet meer naar een door Klojo georganiseerd ding, maar toch...



Naar aanleiding van berichtgeving over het optreden van medewerkers van The Security Company, al dan niet in opdracht van organisator Mojo, op het Lowlandsfestival jegens Poolse bekerrapers wil ik mijn ontsteltenis kenbaar maken.

Ik ben een frequent concert en festival bezoeker, maar voel er weinig meer voor om door Mojo georganiseerde evenementen te bezoeken, laat staan als daarbij de zogenaamde handhaving van de veiligheid in de handen van TSC ligt.

Ik ben zelf al meer dan 15 jaar freelance werkzaam als beveiligingsmedewerkster, o.a. op festivals en andere evenementen, en streef er juist altijd naar alles eerder op een rustige en menselijke manier op te lossen. Dankzij het verbale rascisme, machtsvertoon, mishandelingen, en andere fascistoïde neigingen van dit soort idioten loop ik dagelijks tegen het imagoprobleem van de veiligheidsmedewerker aan. Ik schaam me voor het gros van mijn beroepsgroep.

Met het vernietigen en in beslag nemen van beeldmateriaal en dragers heeft TSC zijn walgelijke misdragingen nog eens extra onderstreept.

Ik hoop dan ook dat dit soort gedragingen niet zonder gevolgen zijn.

nn - 25.08.2010 17:49

how cool of you that you wrote something to lowlands.
i also will write something now but not sure which mail adress, i only could find this one  info@lowlands.nl
it would be really cool if a lot of people would write to them.
Some selected coments from our media 
mgriks(at)gmail.com - 25.08.2010 18:03

link to the pages below
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An apology from the security company sounds on its place here, because I think they were totally out of line here (what else is new).
This is where the problem starts: most of those security guys are army or police rejects that weren't good enough to qualify for a more responsible security job, and then ended up with a security company.
Please note that I said: 'most of them'. There are lots of very professional security guards, but obviously they weren't working on Lowlands.
Tip for the organization: check who you hire next time, because this all is ridiculous.
And an apology towards the polish folks that had to undergo this madness; I'm dutch, but VERY much ashamed of my country in this matter.

Anonymous Only one with brains here? said...

No proof = nothing happened.

I can make up any number of stories like this, especially since you can't find any info on this anywhere else.

On top of that, NO reports on this from the local police. NONE at all.

Stop making shit up.

Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Keep your smart-cards and cell phones safe and dont store any new data is it will overwrite the original pictures.

Google for forensic data recovery. a tool like Encase (available in P2P and torrents) will get the pictures back.

Without evidence this didn't happen. So get it back so you have a case.

Blogger Tim said...

I filed a complaint at the security company for their behaviour last year.
on monday everybody has to leave the campsite.(this year the airforce was happy to provide a few flybys with two f16 fighter planes) Normally the security guys wake stragglers but now they have gorilla like staff with little temper on their payrol. What they did was cut tent cords with their knives and break tent poles just to get rid of the festival goers.

This year some lost their temper when dealing with people having fun but not realy misbehaving.
Like the toilet concerts on campsite 2 and 3. One guy went totaly crazy.

I dont hope this will be a trend for the next years to come.

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